Global Warming

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Global Warming

Postby Johngo4 » Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:25 am

Noticed this one wasn't up yet, and feeling ever so slightly guilty over leaving my computer on overnight, decided to put it up. Argue away.
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Re: Global Warming

Postby curly-cherry » Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:37 pm

well basically i beleive that global warming is just a new thing for the government to moan about and get everybody in a moral panic.....its not as bad as they are making it out to be. Some of my friends have a right go at me if i drop the tiniest bit of rubbish on the floor..and i dont see how it can contribute to glbal warming..i REALLY dont..
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Re: Global Warming

Postby Johngo4 » Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:38 am

Well, you shouldn't drop rubbish on the floor, but it doesn't affect global warming in any way. It just goes to the landfill. In any case, I beleive that there is a 50-50 chance that there will be a major climate shift in the next century or so, and I beleive that there is an equal chance that it might tip us back into an ice age. This isn't just a theory for high budget disaster movies. What many people don't realise is that we are still in an ice age. Just in a warm period during one. If we change the balance of the atmosphere, we may well go back to the old mammoth hunting days.
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Re: Global Warming

Postby aceofspades » Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:34 pm

Well fuck it, whats the worst that could happen anyway? Even if we completely screw things up, the icecaps melt, sea levels rise and half the landmass in the world becomes submerged so what? A hell of a lot of people, animals and plants will die but life will find a way to carry on, it always does. I think we overestimate ourselves a bit, we seem to think that we are capable of completely destroying the planet but even if we were to burn every drop of oil and fire off all our nuclear weapons the planet would still survive, life would still survive and eventually new species would evolve to dominate the planet.
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Re: Global Warming

Postby curly-cherry » Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:02 pm

if its a century or so before it happends..why worry now? worry when its actually an issue.
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Re: Global Warming

Postby damostat » Fri Jul 04, 2008 4:34 am

You see, everybody seems to be worrying about humans as an entirety. Don't be. Just scale it down to yourself. After all, if an ice age does come it will be survival of the fittest. Just think about it on your own. If you die on your own, wont that solve alot of mysteries for you? If you succumb to death, wont that mean that all your religious and philosophical wonders will be instantaneously discovered? Think about it optimistically. All human endeavor is ultimately pointless as the thermal mechanics of the universe shall gradually wear out and collapse in on itself (speaking pessimistically but bear with me). Now, this means that our lives are pointless right? WRONG! Don't worry about judgment day, don't worry about being sent to hell and don't worry about being tortured for all eternity. Enjoy your life for what it is without worrying about some deity telling you what and what not to do (with the basic rules being imprinted into your head. Don't lie, cheat, steal, kill that sort of thing). Though if what's important in your life is god, by all means believe in him. Just do whatever makes you happy without hurting anyone else.
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Re: Global Warming

Postby superman » Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:19 pm

damostat wrote:Just do whatever makes you happy without hurting anyone else.


Well thats all very lovely and everything but most people dont actually get to do whatever makes them happy. Theres this thing called work which alot of people nowadays seem to get stuck with for the vast majority of their lives, until theyre too old, knackered and poor to do anything other than sit alone in a cold room waiting to die. The only way you can get ahead, and reach a point where you're able to do 'whatever makes you happy' is to fuck over everyone you can for as much money as you can. Either you're young and naive or a hippy living in your own little dreamworld..
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Re: Global Warming

Postby Johngo4 » Sat Jul 05, 2008 10:19 am

I suppose what you beleive in for this topic depends what you give a shit about. If you only want to live your life as best you can, fine. If you want to just support friends and that, also fine. But I you see have an unfourunately oversized concience, and I keep on thinking about whats going to happen to humanity and life in general now and in the future. Don't ask me why, maybe I'm just a hippy and I don't know it. Now excuse me while I wash my tai-dye t-shirts with handmade soap before going to run naked around stonehenge aotearoa.
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Re: Global Warming

Postby Mike » Sat Jul 05, 2008 5:03 pm

I know a Geography professor at the University of Central Florida named Ben Fries and he is an expert on the subject.... and completely unbiased. The thing is if anyone here has ever taken a college level geography class they will realize that every single thing on this planet is related to each other, from the inner core to the gusting trade winds. Earth with all its variety of flora, fauna, geology, tides, winds, build,heat, and cold........is like a single self-stabilizing organism. Everything that's ever happened to Earth since life has existed has been related to biology and vice versa. The last ice age didn't take years to onset... it took 1 year according to modern geologists (look it up). And the ice age went away in a span of three years. We really don't know what the hell is going to happen and when. Scientists can't technically say that global warming exists yet because it takes years to research climate change.... at least twenty to be exact. But every major biological, meteorological, and geological scientist, can all say that we are undoubtedly destroying the Earth. Anyone who believes humans aren't effecting our biosphere negatively is an idiot. The Earth could go into an ice age tomorrow for all we know. I believe that if we can't learn to live with the Earth we will be eradicated in one way or another.

Worse than global warming or an ice age, is a change in the polarity of our planet.... and we are do for one very soon.... although they are unpredictable. Electronics would be fucked and the weather would change dramatically. We'll definitely be gone before life on our planet is gone... unless we can learn to adapt.
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Re: Global Warming

Postby damostat » Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:26 pm

superman wrote:
damostat wrote:Just do whatever makes you happy without hurting anyone else.


Well thats all very lovely and everything but most people dont actually get to do whatever makes them happy. Theres this thing called work which alot of people nowadays seem to get stuck with for the vast majority of their lives, until theyre too old, knackered and poor to do anything other than sit alone in a cold room waiting to die. The only way you can get ahead, and reach a point where you're able to do 'whatever makes you happy' is to fuck over everyone you can for as much money as you can. Either you're young and naive or a hippy living in your own little dreamworld..

Well I'd like to class you as a top class idiot then. If you really are foolish enough to have a mentality of "keep working till you die" then of course you wont be able to do what makes you happy. If you have a family to feed, shouldn't that keep you happy? Protecting the ones you love? If not, you've landed yourself in an irreversible and very vicious cycle my friend. And no, you don't need money to be happy. Ever hear of charity or even having fun? Why don't people have fun these days? Is it now limited to 5 minutes a day or you'll overwork it? And if you arn't supporting a family, why not invest wisely till you make enough money to quit your fucking job and do something! And whatever happened to socialising!? There is so much shit out there that you are taking for granted. If you are stupid enough to think you're just going to work till you die, then there's nothing I can say for you except...GET A FUCKING LIFE!
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Re: Global Warming

Postby C'mon » Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:02 am

Of course humans are wrecking the planet! It's what we do. I think that we should live in a more responsible manner in effort to preserve this miserable little rock for future generations to screw with. I do not believe that the situation is nearly as urgent as some would have us believe however. As cynical as it may be the fact of the matter is that big business runs the planetary operations and we can jump up and down all we want, but whatever those in the ivory towers want is what will be and we'll all just have to deal with it.
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Re: Global Warming

Postby Johngo4 » Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:48 am

Mike wrote:I know a Geography professor at the University of Central Florida named Ben Fries and he is an expert on the subject.... and completely unbiased. The thing is if anyone here has ever taken a college level geography class they will realize that every single thing on this planet is related to each other, from the inner core to the gusting trade winds. Earth with all its variety of flora, fauna, geology, tides, winds, build,heat, and cold........is like a single self-stabilizing organism. Everything that's ever happened to Earth since life has existed has been related to biology and vice versa. The last ice age didn't take years to onset... it took 1 year according to modern geologists (look it up). And the ice age went away in a span of three years. We really don't know what the hell is going to happen and when. Scientists can't technically say that global warming exists yet because it takes years to research climate change.... at least twenty to be exact. But every major biological, meteorological, and geological scientist, can all say that we are undoubtedly destroying the Earth. Anyone who believes humans aren't effecting our biosphere negatively is an idiot. The Earth could go into an ice age tomorrow for all we know. I believe that if we can't learn to live with the Earth we will be eradicated in one way or another.

Worse than global warming or an ice age, is a change in the polarity of our planet.... and we are do for one very soon.... although they are unpredictable. Electronics would be fucked and the weather would change dramatically. We'll definitely be gone before life on our planet is gone... unless we can learn to adapt.


Right, firstly we have been studying the climate in this respect for more than twenty years. Nearly 50 in fact, since the first evidence for global warming began to occur in the sixties

Secondly, a change in polarity in our planet would most likely only mess with compasses and those few other instruments that rely on the earths magnetic field. It is incredibly unlikely that it would affect the weather. This said, how ever, scientists have only started

Oh, and finally, you were talking about the Gaia earth theory at the start of your statement I beleive? Though definitely a plausible one, it is still a theory. The planet could still work in a completely different way.
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Re: Global Warming

Postby Mike » Sun Jul 06, 2008 5:48 am

ahh but we haven't been studying the idea of Global Warming for 50 years, we've been studying previously recorded data. And before that data we have no precise records of temperature. So yes my Gaia theory is still a theory, although I believe in it, but also Global Warming is still a theory (in the aspect that it is unnatural), although I do believe in it as well.

And if I stay consistent in my argument that the Gaia theory is true then it would consequently lead me to believe that a change in the earth's magnetic polarity would effect the weather as well. In fact what the inside of the Earth consists of is still a theory. And I can assure you that a change in the polarity would have a more dramatic effect than changing a standard compass. Aircrafts and sea vessels would be effected; I mean Einstein said that the question of what will become of our magnetic field is one of the greatest unsolved mysteries and physics. Everything we know about the switches of polarity effecting our daily life is also theoretical.
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Re: Global Warming

Postby Johngo4 » Sun Jul 06, 2008 8:40 am

Well firstly, what does the magnetic field do? As far as I'm aware, it protects us from space radiation and influences some types of navigation instruments. If there was any affect on eleterical instruments, It would have been seen in satelites and other spacecraft when they left the magnetic feild. I suppose if the magnetic field fluctuated in strength, the ammount of radiation it allowed through could affect weather. And a change in polarity just means that we'd be on top of the world and you northern hemisphere buggers would be on the bottom. Actually, reading this it depends how long it would take. If it takes more than a few seconds we'd all die after being bathed by gamma rays. And we have been studying the idea of global warming for fifty years. The theory was around long before the early eighties when people at large began taking notice. Oh, and people don't seem to notice that we are experiencing the effects of climate change already. In africa, there has been a drought for the past decade. It snowed in bagdhad for the first time in recorded history. We are expereincing more and stronger tropical storms. Here in New Zealand, water levels in the hydro lakes and resovoirs are at an all time low (though this could be caused by dairy farming). So If we just leave it now, Its only going to get worse. And for those who don't care about future generations, If its starting to happen now It could well affect our lives.
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Re: Global Warming

Postby bgjohn » Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:49 pm

aceofspades wrote:Well fuck it, whats the worst that could happen anyway? Even if we completely screw things up, the icecaps melt, sea levels rise and half the landmass in the world becomes submerged so what? A hell of a lot of people, animals and plants will die but life will find a way to carry on, it always does. I think we overestimate ourselves a bit, we seem to think that we are capable of completely destroying the planet but even if we were to burn every drop of oil and fire off all our nuclear weapons the planet would still survive, life would still survive and eventually new species would evolve to dominate the planet.



I must agree. Things might improve. The biggest problem I see is that when Antarctica melts we might just have a TREMENDOUS problem with Penquin SHIT!
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