Homosexuals (For or Against)

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Homosexuals (For or Against)

Postby Dateeno » Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:47 am

Earlier today i watched some wierd homosexual make a video on youtube (Link is below) about how much abuse they receive on youtube.

To this i can only reply that they should not advertise being gay, i personally am against homosexuality.

I find that it is un-natural, un-ethical and it disturbs me. I think that we are made how we are for a reason and we should not fight or twist this. For anyone who thinks that i only beleive this for gays, your wrong i also think that it is wrong for any race, man woman boy or girl.

The simple fact that men do not have the natural organs to mate with other males sum's it up for me but apparently not to others, i have found alot of "gays" etc.. i have met are extremely uneasy about their sexuality. Also alot of these people have had a disturbing life style which "Could" have led to their sexuality.

This also leads to my suspicions of homosexuals mental health (NOT meaning all) as i have found some of the gays i have met have been socialy demeaning and particually unstable in their lifestyle.

Please try not to be offended as this is only my oppinion and i do not wish to insult, offend or change anybody in any way shape or form.

The person who posted this video which braught this to my attention has been printed by the media as "mentaly unstable" and nothing more than a little boy seeking attention, i think this is a pretty harsh statement but after watching... pffft the 20 videos he has posted it starts to make sense.

"Chris Crocker" Also starred on Maury Show

CLICK HERE

If you read the comments underneath the video you will understand the hate he is talking about, but also there is arguing in general which leads to my assumption that the whole subject on "gays" brings alot of feelings to the surface revealing alot about people in general
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Postby 0wn@g3 » Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:29 pm

leegao wrote:Negative:

Preliminary observations to uphold.

Resolution/Topic regards to whether one is for or against homosexuality

Affirmation is against homosexuality

Negation is solely negating the affirmative; however the negative does not hold the burden to speak in favor of homosexuality.


1st under view: The resolution is mutually nonexclusive, universal, global; The resolution have no value basis.

2nd under view: Nonexclusiveness of any resolution gives it the necessary grounds of having need of a value in order to justify the said resolution

3rd under view: The morality achieved in this round should achieve the maximum prospects of both Utilitarianism and Kantianism.

Conclusion: The best value to uphold should be Justice as it is the foundation of morality and the sole candidate to evaluate for justification of the resolution

Restatement of the Resolution/Topic: Is it moral to allow someone to be homosexual


Contention 1:

I find that it is un-natural, un-ethical and it disturbs me. I think that we are made how we are for a reason and we should not fight or twist this. For anyone who thinks that i only believe this for gays, your wrong i also think that it is wrong for any race, man woman boy or girl.


1) As the value that we should be looking to is Justice, of which ethicality is a component of, we must be able to thoroughly prove that homosexuality is unethical. Yet my opponent has failed to support the fact that homosexuality is unethical, merely providing support that homosexuality is unnatural.

2) My opponent failed to supply the link between unnatural processes and its correlation to ethicality therefore this subpoint has no impact

3) Even if you still do not buy my point, there’s one last point that I’m offering. Look to where he stated that homosexuality is un-natural. Remember, the contextual meaning of un-natural is artificial, or a product of humanity. Therefore by affirming you are in turn claiming that anything that has humanitarian value is immoral and therefore the resolution would thus be void.

Contention 2:
The simple fact that men do not have the natural organs to mate with other males sum's it up for me but apparently not to others, i have found a lot of "gays" etc.. i have met are extremely uneasy about their sexuality. Also a lot of these people have had a disturbing life style which "Could" have led to their sexuality.

This also leads to my suspicions of homosexual’s mental health (NOT meaning all) as I have found some of the gays i have met have been socially demeaning and particularly unstable in their lifestyle.


Under view: The word “could” contains a subjunctive contextual meaning which modifies the participial phrase.

1) My opponent is restating the previously rebutted point that homosexuality is unethical due to its unnaturalness.

2) The only significant point in this section is with regards to the deterioration of social wellbeing of homosexuals, to this I will rebut:

a. The subjunctivity of the word “Could” implies doubt and voids the statement.

b. My opponent is claiming that Homosexuality is not just due to the fact that homosexual people have lower social skills, that homosexuality is unjust, yet this also takes on the premise that anyone who has lowered social skills are considered to be unethical. This exempts it from being Kantianism, and also includes it in the 2nd factor of Utilitarianism only (Whereby the Minority will be oppressed)


Sole Counter-Plan offered by the Negative is as follows:

In order to achieve the most Justice we will need to be able to achieve the maximum amount of freedom. As John Locke puts it, the natural property of man is freedom, that we are all born with the self-evident truth that freedom is the proper order of things. Therefore, in order to achieve the maximum freedom, we must not limit anyone from being able to choose to be homosexual or not

Conclusion: The sole criteria that allows one to choose to be homosexual or not is to vote down opposition to homosexuality, therefore Justice dictates that one must Negate the Resolution/Topic



haha, pwned :P
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Postby Dateeno » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:55 pm

Well i'm not implying that homosexuals dont have the choice, neither am i saying that they dont deserve the choice, however as my personal oppinion i do not agree.

Also when i used "Could" it is not that i have Doubt as i know for a fact that this has happened. However i used "Could" meaning that it is a possibility but not certainty.

And using your statement "Homosexuals have lower social skills" Once again i did not imply that all homosexuals are in this manor but i have known such people to have problems which are similar to my statement.

I have to agree that these symptoms are also located in any person and not just in homosexuals.

I would like to add that i have researched on the internet and that there is a certain theory that the up bringing of a child has more to do with his/her future tendencies than anything else in life, if its who they socialise with or how their parents are, all the behavior and nature of this person links back to how they were braught up, and this "could" (meaning a possibility but not a definate fact) relate to how gays gain their homosexuality.

After all these homosexuals are not born gay, they become gay after certain events in their life. Although alot of homosexuals still date woman because they are affraid to "come out of the closet" as they say, this also could relate to their tendencies

If you take two identical people, and place them at other sides of the world, Would they have the same personality? or the same attitude?

Evidence says no they wouldn't, and this is due to the theory of someones upbringing, therefore one of them could be homosexual, and other one may not. This being the case their is something in life, a series of events or a certain attitude of the area they live in that causes him or her to become homosexual and is not genetically transfered through genes or any kind of genetic tendency, homosexuality is purely caused by something in life or a cause of events etc ... and not a natural form or even a a natural decision, it is something that somebody "feels" and due to this it is not a decision anybody makes it is something that just happens .

The only point i can agree to is that homosexuals dont really get the decision to become gay or not, it just happens. Whether they reveal it or not however is completely their choice, but i still beleive that something in life causes somebody to "become gay" and it is most certainly not a natural feeling given by god, if it was a natural feeling then we would feel this way from birth, am i not right? otherwise it is a feeling that develops over time or a feeling that develops over events in a certain persons life.

For example, nobody feels Hate or anger, untill something makes them angry or somebody to hate, the same for hunger or thirst or happiness, its endless, the only way you develop a feeling is due to events that happen in someones life.
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Postby C'mon » Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:28 am

So it's the old nature or nurture question is it? I subscribe to the nature theory. I am straight. I did not make a concious decision to be straight, I just am. I believe that to be true for homosexuality also. I also believe that certain upbringing can make a male have feminine tendancies and a female have male tendancies. Tendancies in behavioral respects that is. These behavioral tendancies are not acts of homosexuality but plainly a "sissy" boy or a "butch" girl. I believe that certain life events and/or experiences can distort a person's thinking and this would be the only arguement valid for the nurture theory. These people are not themselves, they are "disturbed", for lack of a better word. They may even participate in gay activities but are truly miserable and not gay. Confused may be a better word. Also, to stick on the topic of the thread...whatever makes you happy is OK with me...but does it matter?
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Postby Dateeno » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:29 pm

No obvcourse it doesnt matter because no matter what anybody says or even does there will be gays/lesbians etc.. and gay haters in the world.

I dont mind homosexuals themselves, its not their personality or their look. Just what they do.
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Postby C'mon » Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:10 am

Yup! They're here and they're queer dammit!! I have a few gay friends (guys & gals) but they don't queer it up around me. Very discreet really. The guys and I actually joke about it quite comfortably when it's just the guys around. I would likely be uncomfortable if they were affactionate with each other in my company. That's probably not fair and has remained unsaid....maybe I'm a hypocrite ? :?
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Postby Dateeno » Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:22 pm

I dont know, all i do know is when i see it i get chill's down my spine n feel horribly uneasy
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Postby xxelfen_liedxx » Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:29 am

:shock:
wtf who let use lot out ur cells
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Postby C'mon » Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:46 am

You're going to have to get a little more "wordy" there sunshine! Sober up and try again because I don't have a clue what you just typed. Not even said, but typed!! That's terrible.
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Postby leegao » Sat Mar 22, 2008 3:32 am

I'm not rly sure how we can rly debate for or against homosexuality, so we'll need to evaluate basing off of something, I'm just saying it's not really ethically justified to be against or discriminate against homosexuality.

Anyways, one of my friends is a lesbian, and she's actually really nice and cool, but yeah, they do make out in public lyk at lunch and stuff but most of the ppl here don't really care.
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Postby xxelfen_liedxx » Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:13 pm

im all for homosexuality they dont force you to watch them you dont like it dont watch
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Re: Homosexuals (For or Against)

Postby curly-cherry » Sun May 04, 2008 3:43 pm

i personally feel that your sexuality doesnt change you as a person..if your gay and funny you would still be funny if you were straight...you cant help who you fall in love with or who you have feelings for as long as you do not try and convert people who are happy as they are to become unhappy just because of the way you choose to live your life....i know alot of gay people and i have close friends who are gay and i dont have a problem with it...as they dont have a problem with myself being straight.
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Re: Homosexuals (For or Against)

Postby C'mon » Mon May 05, 2008 12:45 am

I think that's basically what I'm trying to say "curly". :D
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Re: Homosexuals (For or Against)

Postby aceofspades » Sat May 10, 2008 10:46 am

I dont see anything morally wrong with being homosexual. As I understand it its usually just a mutated gene which affects the type of person you find attractive. Even if you find the whole idea disgusting you cant blame a person for their genes. For something to be morally or ethically wrong there has to have been a choice made and no-one (to the best of my knowledge) ever chooses who they are going to be attracted to.
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Re: Homosexuals (For or Against)

Postby curly-cherry » Sat May 10, 2008 9:12 pm

i dont beleive its a faulty gene i think its concious choice....yh thts it
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